Hey, it's Empire's Book of the Day. I'm Andrew Limbaugh. Ollie Smith's new book, Gliff,

is a dystopian-y-a novel set in an authoritarian regime. She spends the first half of this interview

with NPR Scott Simon talking about that, how easy it is to actually be seduced by authoritarianism.

But then in the second half, they start talking about Smith's previous career as an advertising copywriter.

And she says something about how slogans work because they connect to something tribal inside

all of us, which makes me wonder if she learned a thing or two about authoritarianism from her time in

advertising.

That's ahead.

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Brian, their sister Rose, are unverifiable.

Red Line is painted around their house after their mother leaves on a family

emergency, but they find a place in which to squat where the horses that graze in an adjacent

field lift their eyes and hearts to someplace else. Gliff is the name they give a horse and is the

title of a new novel from

Ali Smith, the novelist and playwright.

Won the Orwell Prize for Political Fiction for her novel summer, and she is sometimes

called Scotland's Nobel laureate in Waiting.

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