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Sticky Notes: The Classical Music Podcast

Impressions in Blue: Ravel & Gershwin

Sticky Notes: The Classical Music Podcast

Joshua Weilerstein

Arts, Performing Arts, Music

4.92.5K Ratings

🗓️ 7 August 2025

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

In the mid-1920s, Maurice Ravel wrote a letter to the legendary composition teacher Nadia Boulanger. Boulanger's class was a mecca for composers, both young and old, and musicians from all over the world vied to study with her. But Ravel's letter wasn't on his own behalf. Instead, he urged Boulanger to take on a young student whom Ravel himself had declined to teach. He wrote:

"There is a musician here endowed with the most brilliant, most enchanting, and perhaps the most profound talent: George Gershwin. His worldwide success no longer satisfies him, for he is aiming higher. He knows that he lacks the technical means to achieve his goal. In teaching him those means, one might ruin his talent. Would you have the courage, which I wouldn't dare have, to undertake this awesome responsibility?"

Boulanger also declined to take Gershwin as a student, fearing, like Ravel, that she might damage his spontaneity and dynamic jazz sensibility. Whether or not the famous story is true (that Ravel turned down Gershwin's request to study with him by saying, "Why be a second-rate Ravel when you are a first-rate Gershwin?") we may never know. But the two composers were friendly, and formed something of a mutual admiration society.

Today, in this fourth collaboration with G. Henle Publishers in honor of their Ravel and Friends project, we're going to explore the connections between these two great composers: their friendship, their mutual influence, and the profound ways jazz infused itself into Ravel's music, particularly in his Violin Sonata and Piano Concerto in G. From the moment he discovered it, Ravel adored jazz, and like many French composers of the time, allowed its influence to permeate his work in ways both explicit and subtle. Join us!

 

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Sticky Notes, the Classical Music Podcast. My name is Joshua

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Weilerstein. I'm a conductor, and I'm the music director of the Orchestra National

0:19.3

Delisle, and the chief conductor

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of the All Borg Symphony. This podcast is for anyone who loves classical music, works in the

0:26.0

field, or is just getting ready to dive in to this amazing world of incredible music.

0:31.0

Before we get started, I want to thank my new Patreon sponsors, Trevor, Ken, and Brian, and

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all of my other Patreon sponsors for making season

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10 possible.

0:40.2

If you'd like to support the show, please head over to patreon.com slash sticky notes podcast.

0:45.4

And if you are a fan of the show, please take a moment to give us a rating or review on

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Apple Podcasts or Spotify.

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It is greatly appreciated.

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I'm really happy in this episode to be continuing my collaboration with the great

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publishing company G. Henley. This episode on Ravel's connection with Gershwin was one of

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my favorite episodes that I've written all year, and I really hope you enjoy it. Here we go.

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Thank you. year, and I really hope you enjoy it. Here we go. In the mid-1920s, Maurice Ravelle wrote a letter to the legendary composition teacher Nadia Boulanger.

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Boulanger's class was a mecca for composers, both young and old, and composers from all over

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the world vied to study with her.

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Ravelle's letter wasn't for his own benefit.

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Instead, he was encouraging Boulanger to take on a young student, who Revelle himself, had declined to teach.

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He wrote, quote, There is a musician here endowed with the most brilliant, most enchanting,

1:53.1

and perhaps the most profound talent, George Gershwin.

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