This is the Tom Hartman Program.

Welcome back.

On the line with us is Katrina Vanenhovel, the editorial director and publisher of the

Nation magazine, The Nation.

Of course, the website, her Twitter handle

is Katrina Nation or The Nation.

And she has a new op-ed out in the Washington Post

titled, The 2010s were a decade of imperial overreach and Trump is

making it worse which I thought was absolutely brilliant wanted to get around to discuss

Katrina welcome back to the program

Tom it's been a long time good to hear your voice back at you back at you know we just

finished this decade and you know I realize you know technically I suppose the new

decade starts you know next year but that's not how history looks at it you know it's so we're now in the

20s the you define the 2010s as a decade of imperial overreach what does

that mean it means that what know, in the focus on Trump and this idea that he was an isolationist,

we lose sight of, first of all, that he's deployed troops to Saudi Arabia, he's deployed troops around the world, he's deployed troops to Saudi Arabia he's deployed troops around the world he's

betrayed his promises about ending endless wars that's today's news in many ways but we

also you know need to understand that president obama

of course he did negotiate the iran nuclear deal

negotiated normalization with cuba which tragically is under

siege

but he you know he did send more drones out he intensified the

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