Welcome to another state of the nation episode.

We're doing a deep dive today on Scaling NFTs with our friends at Immutable.

This is a particularly important topic in the whole Scaling NFTs strategy.

David, getting this a preview of who we're talking to and what we're talking about today.

Yeah, we've had Robbie Ferguson from Immutable on the show.

A number of times before, but he has brought his CTO, Alex Connolly, to along with him.

Because we are going and doing a deep dive into some of the technical aspects that is going to create a revolution in both layer two technology,

as well as NFT technology, as well as gaming technology.

But you and I, Ryan, are going to do our best to make this simple and make this digestible for the rest of the world.

Because what they have going on here, I think is going to solve a lot of people's concerns about the future of Ethereum Scaling.

As we all know, the gas fees on Ethereum suck, I guess.

And then we are all trying to move on to the layers to the same layer too,

and so that we can have all these composabilities.

But the issue is, we can't just have one single layer to you.

We're going to have many, many layer twos.

And so how do we restore composability while also having cheap fees?

And so this is the conversation that we're going to be having today with the Immutable co-founders.

And just to really kick things off with context.

Last September, Fatale Buterin wrote a research post on the ETH research forums titled

cross-rollup NFT wrapper and migration ideas, which is a proposal for how to make NFT's cross-rollup friendly,

allowing NFTs to move across the entire layer to ecosystem.

And today, what Immutable is announcing is their solution towards solving the cross-rollup composability issues.

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