Immigration Policy As Defense Policy
Angry Planet
Matthew Gault
4.3 • 882 Ratings
🗓️ 11 April 2025
⏱️ 59 minutes
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Special for our international listeners, did you know you can now buy a pathway to U.S. citizenship for the low, low price of $5 million sent directly to the U.S. treasury? For decades America’s immigration policies were a boon to its national defense. No one has better intelligence on a rival country than a fleeing dissident with firsthand knowledge.
Times have changed.
Gil Guerra of the Niskanen Center is here to talk all about those changes. It’s an episode packed with bizarre anecdotes and interesting tidbits about how America runs now. You’ll learn why evangelical Christians are turning their back on refugees, why China won’t accept deportation flights, and how to navigate the Darien Gap using short form video posts.
- Immigration is a foreign policy tool
- Dissident refugees as a strategic win
- What we know about how the “Gold Card” will work
- “You simply can’t create greencards out of nowhere.”
- How Mexico uses immigration to get concessions from the U.S.
- “At a certain point the people who send you into the blades look like the bastards.”
- Dealing with a dictator
- 20,000 Chinese nationals at the southern border
- The internet has made it easier to immigrate
- Navigating the Darien Gap, one TikTok video at a time
Op-ed: Trump’s gold card visa, explained
Domestic debate, global strategy: Revisiting immigration in U.S. foreign policy
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| 0:17.6 | Hello and welcome to another conversation about conflict on an angry planet. |
| 0:21.7 | I am Matthew Galt. |
| 0:22.7 | Jason Fields has got a tummy ache. |
| 0:25.3 | I'm not kidding. |
| 0:27.2 | Here with me today is Gilgara. |
| 0:29.2 | Can you introduce yourself, sir? |
| 0:30.9 | Sure. |
| 0:31.3 | My name is Gilgara. |
| 0:32.2 | I are not having a tummy ache. |
| 0:33.6 | I am thrilled to be here on Angry Planet. |
| 0:35.9 | I am an immigration policy analyst at the Niskanen Center where I study topics that are |
| 0:41.9 | in the intersection of immigration and foreign policy. |
| 0:45.0 | Some of that is original research, for example, on trends in regular migration, especially |
| 0:50.2 | from China, India, and Russia, which I've recently written reports on, but some of it is also applying that foreign policy lens to current immigration topics, including most recently birthright citizenship and the gold card. |
| 1:01.8 | So we're going to get into all of that. |
| 1:04.3 | This was a suggestion from our producer, Kevin, who said that we really need to do a story about, and have an episode about |
| 1:12.5 | like the way the immigration policy is going to be shaping defense policy and kind of |
| 1:17.2 | the way those two things will dovetail over the next, probably a long time. |
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