Welcome to the dispatch podcast. I'm your host Sarah Isger and this week we're going to do immigration

We're going to explain it. We're going to talk about what it could be what it is all of the above and we're going to do it with a real

Expert Ali Nourani. He is the author of Crossing Borders the reconciliation of a nation of immigrants as well as the president of the National Immigration Forum in a fellow at the Arizona State University

Social transformation lab this will be fascinating

We're going to do the specific we're going to do the general the philosophical and of course the politics

Let's dive right in thank you so much for being with us and I want to split this conversation into two parts

I want to explain what's happening at the border what's happening with our immigration system

But also talk about what a good immigration system would look like something I know you've given a lot of thought to as well

But let's start with just where we are right now

So obviously a lot of headlines over title 42

It's a public health measure not an immigration measure

But it has wildly affected

What's happening at the border as the Biden administration has said that they're prepared to repeal it

A lot of pushback from Democrats and Republicans

Saying that we are simply not prepared for what will happen after that. So if you could just explain

What's going on at the border right now? What's about to happen at the border right now?

Sure. Well, first of all Sarah. Thank you so much. I am a huge huge fan of all the work that you all do at the dispatch and I am an added reader of

Everything that's turned out every single day. So I really appreciate it

So title 42 so back in March of 2020 the Trump administration

instituted

In essence kind of an effort to close the US Mexico border to those seeking asylum by utilizing the title 42

guidelines are

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