Welcome to the podcast Think Biblically, conversations on faith and culture.

I'm your host Scott Ray, Dean of Faculty and Professor of Christian Ethics at

Talbot School of Theology at viola University.

We're here with my long time friend, my long time friend and colleague in bioethics, Dr. Dennis Hollinger,

President Emeritus of Gordon Conwell Seminary, long time specialist in Christian

ethics.

We've been great colleagues and friends in bioethics and Christian ethics in general for a long time.

So Dennis, it's great to have you on with us well thank you Scott

great to be with you well and especially you're you're venturing into a new area of

application or newer area of application for you in the application of Christian ethics to the debate on immigration.

I so appreciate your willingness to wade into what I think is the hardest part of this discussion,

which is the implications of the biblical teaching for public policy.

And so I realize you're not a, you know, you're not a policy wonk, you're not a public policy specialist,

you're not a politician, but waiting into the details of what a public policy might look like, what the parameters are, I think is one of the things that's missing in our discussion of Christian ethics related to immigration.

So really appreciate your willingness to sort of jump in there and tackle a very controversial

area with a lot of skill and a lot of insight.

Well, thank you.

It's what we ethicists need to do.

Well, that's part of our calling.

That is sort of what, you know, what our schools are paying us to do

and what God is calling us to do.

Now let me ask you this to start out.

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