There's no shortage of tech podcasts, but few give you a true dose of the future.

The A16Z podcast is an exception.

It takes you straight to the innovators behind new materials, data centers, self-driving cars,

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HBR presents.

Hi there, I'm Azim Azar and you're listening to a special end of season bonus

of the exponential view podcast.

That's right, this season has come to an end and what a season it has been I kicked off

with conversations with Taiwan's digital minister Audrey Tang and the CEO of Open AI Sam Altman.

And here we are finishing the season in conversation with one of our greatest living authors of speculative fiction.

Now, before I introduce our guest, I'd like to thank you, our listeners.

Without your listening, your recommendations, your five star reviews week after week,

this simply would not have been possible.

We will return in October 2021.

And of course, I would not leave you without stimulating conversations for three whole months.

So do watch out for more specials and bonuses heading your way soon.

Now, I found an exponential view back in 2015 to explore the interplay between faster-volving technologies

and slow-moving social institutions.

What kind of future are we building and how can we shape that future for the better?

Today, I'm speaking to someone who has spent many years exploring possible futures in richly researched

and politically layered works of literary imagination.

The novelist, Kim Stanley Robinson.

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