In the journalism world there's a saying for people who have been in the industry for a long, long time.

They call them media veterans. My guest today, Kalap Hope, is one of those. He's been a reporter, foreign correspondent, and editor at the

Wall Street Journal. He was deputy-edited portfolio magazine and he was the editor on

Michael Lewis's cover story that would later go on to become the best-selling book and movie The Big Short.

Today Kyle is the editor and publisher of the Columbia Journalism Review.

But Kyle isn't joining me today because of those amazing accomplishments,

rather he's here for an entirely different reason.

Along his travels through the Manhattan Media World, Kala was one of the editors of the New York

Observer.

Yes, that's the same newspaper that Jared Kushner owned before he went off to the White House.

Kyle is going to come on the show today to tell us some stories about his interactions with

Jared Kushner, Jared's mother, Avanka, and even the Donald himself. Thanks for joining us today.

Thanks for having me.

So I figured let's just jump right in.

You just wrote this amazing story on the Columbia Journalism Review site about your time with a certain

Jared Kushner. Is writing about this is it is it kind of like a little PTSD or is it more cathartic?

Well I've been sort of sitting with this for well for like seven years but ever since the election you know frankly I would

get calls every once in a while by other reporters doing stories about

Kushner or about Trump and they would want my insights and

I was sort of resisted all of that because I just thought, one I'm not sure I wanted to get

involved in this whole thing and also I didn't want, I'm not sure I wanted to get involved in this whole thing, and also I didn't want, I felt like I had a whole thought process around it, and I didn't want to just sort of give out a couple of quotes.

So I'd been just sort of sitting wondering whether I should do this or could do this and then we actually had a

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