Despite concerns that the end of pandemic-era restrictions would lead to a big increase in the number of asylum seekers crossing into the U.S. over the country's southern border, the numbers have remained relatively low.

The Biden administration points to a mobile app called CBP One that migrants must use to request appointments — and a change in rules about in-country asylum requests. Immigrant advocates and immigration hardliners both have objections to the administration's policies.

This episode: political correspondent Susan Davis, White House correspondent Franco Ordoñez, and immigration correspondent Joel Rose.

The podcast is produced by Elena Moore and Casey Morell. Our editor is Eric McDaniel. Our executive producer is Muthoni Muturi.

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