Hey there, it's the MPR Politics Podcast.

I'm Miles Parks, I cover voting.

I'm Claudia Gidey-Sullis, I cover Congress.

And I'm Ron Elving, Editor-Correspondent.

This afternoon marked the third hearing from the House Select Committee investigating

the attack on the U.S. Capitol on January 6th.

We heard from Greg Jacob, a lawyer who used to work for former Vice President Mike Pence,

as well as Jay Michael Ludig, a retired fourth circuit judge who also advised Pence during

the presidential transition period.

The hearing opened with strong words from committee members, including Vice Chair Liz Cheney,

Republican of Wyoming.

What the President wanted the Vice President to do was not just wrong.

It was illegal and unconstitutional.

Much of today's hearing revolved around the legal theories that the Trump team relied

on in the period after the 2020 election to try and overturn the election results.

Specifically, it was around Trump's justification, his legal team's justification, to get then

Vice President Mike Pence to step in and stop or delay the counting of electoral college

votes.

In the testimony today, Pence's team made it clear that they felt like Pence did not

have any legal standing to do that, which I should note that at that time, after the

2020 election, that's the same opinion that basically the entire legal community also had.

Here's Attorney Greg Jacob.

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