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Rory Stewart: The Long History of...

Ignorance: 6. Wisdom

Rory Stewart: The Long History of...

BBC

Society & Culture, Philosophy, History

4.6593 Ratings

🗓️ 11 July 2024

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

We prize knowledge, and rightly so. We think of ignorance as a bad thing. But ignorance is inseparable from what we know.

Knowledge can distract us, mislead us and endanger us. While ignorance is often the most fundamental insight about our human condition. Ignorance is not simply the opposite of knowledge, but a positive force with its own momentum that gives meaning to our lives. It drives scientific discovery, fosters creativity and can be psychologically helpful.

That’s why Rory Stewart wants to make a radical case for embracing ignorance. He wants to encourage a way of knowing in which knowledge and ignorance exist in a relationship with each other.

With a cast of global thinkers, drawing on Western and Eastern ideas from the ancient world to the present day, Rory explores how a greater awareness and appreciation of ignorance can help us become more clear-thinking, humble, empathetic and wise.

Writer and presenter: Rory Stewart Producer: Dan Tierney Mixing: Tony Churnside Editor: Tim Pemberton Commissioning Editor: Dan Clarke

Readings by Rhiannon Neads

Contributions across the series from:

Alex Edmans - Professor of Finance at London Business School. Ani Rinchen Khandro - a life ordained nun in the Kagyu tradition of Tibetan Buddhism. Annette Martin - Assistant Professor in Philosophy at the University of Illinois, Chicago. Antony Gormley - sculptor. Carlo Rovelli - Theoretical physicist and Professor in the Department of Physics at Aix-Marseille University. Daniel DeNicola - Professor Emeritus of Philosophy at Gettysburg College in Pennsylvania – and author of ‘Understanding Ignorance: The Surprising Impact of What We Don't Know’ (2018). Daniel Whiteson - Professor of Physics at The University of California, Irvine. Derek Black - Author of ‘The Klansman’s Son: My Journey from White Nationalism to Antiracism’ (2024). Edith Hall - Professor in the Department of Classics and Ancient History, at Durham University. Fabienne Peter - Professor of Philosophy at the University of Warwick. Felix Martin - economist and fund manager. Iain McGilchrist - Psychiatrist, neuroscience researcher, philosopher and literary scholar. James C. Scott - Anthropologist and Sterling Professor Emeritus in Political Science at Yale University. Jay Owens - Author of ‘Dust: The Modern World in a Trillion Particles’ (2023). John Lloyd - Television and radio comedy producer and writer. Jonathan Evans, Baron Evans of Weardale - Former Director General of MI5. Karen Douglas - Professor of social psychology at the University of Kent. Mark Lilla - professor of humanities at Columbia University, New York City and author of ‘Ignorance and Bliss: On Wanting Not to Know’ (2024). Martin Palmer - Theologian, sinologist and translator of Daoist and Confucian texts. Mary Beard - Professor of Classics at the University of Cambridge. Michael Ignatieff - Professor in the Department of History at Central European University in Budapest and former Leader of the Liberal Party of Canada. Neil Hannon - singer-songwriter and frontman of The Divine Comedy. Nicholas Gruen - policy economist and social commentator. Rik Peels - Professor of Philosophy, Theology and Religion at Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam and author of ‘Ignorance: A Philosophical Study (2023)’. Robert Beckford - Theologian and Professor of Climate and Social Justice at the University of Winchester. Rowan Williams - Theologian and former Archbishop of Canterbury. Sandrine Parageau - Professor of Early Modern British History at Sorbonne University and author of ‘The Paradoxes of Ignorance in Early Modern England and France’ (2023). Stuart Firestein - Professor of Biological Sciences at Columbia University, New York City and author of ‘Ignorance: How It Drives Science’ (2012). Tom Forth - data scientist, Head of Data at ‘Open Innovations’ and co-founder of ‘The Data City’.

Transcript

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0:40.9

Ignorance is the central, overwhelming fact of life.

0:47.0

The philosopher, Brian McGee, evokes what it is like to move about in a world

0:52.0

that we can never fully classify or know.

0:55.2

Even something as simple and every day as the sight of a towel dropped on a bathroom floor

1:01.4

is inaccessible to language and inaccessible to it from many points of view at the same time.

1:09.0

No words to describe the shape it has fallen into. No words to describe the degrees to shading in its colours. No words to describe the differentials of shadows in its folds. No words to describe its spatial relationship to all the other objects in the bathroom.

1:34.1

And even our focus on that towel is only shining a weak and narrow beam of light into a universe of which we can see and describe even less.

1:38.8

As William James observes,

1:41.4

Our science is a drop, our ignorance a sea. Ignorance has immense power. But in this

1:51.2

our final episode, I want to reintroduce the power of knowledge and show how the synthesis

1:58.2

of knowledge and ignorance creates something other and new.

2:06.2

The long history of ignorance from Confucius to QAnon.

2:11.9

The final episode, wisdom. We know so little, and we will die knowing so little.

2:21.2

And this can be deeply troubling.

2:23.1

I had a massive crisis when I was 42 of all ironic numbers, and I woke up.

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