Monsters come in all shapes and sizes. They can come from anywhere. The dark corners of your hometown, a past meant to stay buried and sometimes from within you.

If you, like me, are intrigued by all the forms that monsters take, I think you'll enjoy undertow.

Hi, this is Fred Greenhollich, creator and host of Underto, a collection of horror podcasts

that bring you under the surface and into the weird and the wicked.

Each season we start a new story set in a twisted version of the great state of

Maine where I grew up fed by the headwaters of great horror masters like Stephen King

and Rick Hadala. In Underto we'll be confronting ghosts from the past, battling werewolves in the present,

wrangling with cursed artifacts, and through it all, doing our best not to forget our humanity.

Underto is available wherever you listen to podcasts or at realm dot fm. stay alert out there

and enjoy your time in the undertow. Succession, the Bear, the Last of us. These are some of the excellent TV shows we will not be talking about in Igen's

alternative TV awards this year. My name is Dale Driver and with me I have Emma Matthew Jones.

Emma Matthew Jones.

I can see that on screen and somehow it connects but it's not really, no.

If we like, if we went into the machine from the fly that is what would

emerge afterwards. Yeah. Emma Matthews Jones. I occasionally I put out music under the name

Natalie Portmanteau. I love. I love a portmanteau.

That's pretty good. I didn't know you did music. A little bit every now and then.

What's up music? What did I put out? Like the last two records were like some

sampled stuff that I don't know I tough to describe very guitary but they've got some

like Rhodes piano in as well. Is it all instrumental soft or do you sing?

No, I don't. I don't really have the voice for it.

I used to. I used to sing, but I kind of lost that now.

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