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The Daily Motivation

If You Use Wine Or Scrolling To Cope, Try This | Meg Josephson

The Daily Motivation

Lewis Howes

Self-improvement, Education

4.8963 Ratings

🗓️ 24 June 2026

⏱️ 7 minutes

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Summary

Therapist Meg Josephson joins Lewis Howes on The Daily Motivation Show to explain why we reach for alcohol, scrolling, and food to escape discomfort, and what actually builds safety instead. She shares the body-based breathing practice that signals calm to your nervous system, even when the anxiety doesn't fully disappear.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi, my name is Lewis Howes and welcome to the Daily Motivation Show.

0:12.2

I got a really bad concussion in college.

0:14.8

Really?

0:15.2

Yeah. I feel that was like a pivotal point in my spiritual process. I think that was meant to happen

0:23.7

because it forced me to stop everything. Stopped. I couldn't drink. I had to sit there in silence,

0:31.1

in darkness. And it was a pretty long recovery for me. Really? Yeah. And so that was really the first point where I stopped drinking in college.

0:40.6

And then after that, the drinking just tapered.

0:43.5

I never really went back to heavy drinking after that.

0:48.1

And then, yeah, eventually I was just like, I actually just don't even want this at all.

0:51.8

So just stopped.

0:53.5

How does someone learn how to not use drugs and alcohol as a coping mechanism to release and

1:00.0

relax and let loose and reveal themselves, but actually be loose and free without drugs

1:08.2

and alcohol or substances to be able to express themselves throughout the day.

1:14.6

It's funny, I think whether it's drugs, alcohol, shopping, any sort of behavior where you feel you lose control of yourself, binge eating.

1:26.6

There's so many, and again, like with each of these, it gets clinically, I would view each of them differently, and it would get more complicated, but...

1:35.2

There's probably a root wound underneath each one of these tendencies, correct?

1:40.7

In that we're finding safety through this control-based behavior, where if I'm, if I'm

1:50.5

honing in on this behavior, I don't need to feel the discomfort.

1:54.0

I don't need to feel the anxiety.

1:55.5

I don't need to face what is bubbling beneath the surface.

1:59.2

What ends up happening is we have this uncomfortable motion rise up,

2:02.6

and so we immediately grab a drink, or we scroll,

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