Hey everyone. This is Jonathan Kapard. Welcome to K-Pup. This week, Evan McMullen.

Independent candidate for President of the United States is my guest.

He's a conservative national security expert who holds a dim view of Donald Trump

and the politicians who support him.

If you remain silent now and are only thoughtful and critical after November 8th

when Donald Trump has won or lost whatever happens what credibility do you have there's

so much more good stuff here including the need for a new party and whether he thinks Trump is an

agent of Vladimir Putin. Plus we talk about this. When you hear the phrase Black Lives

Matter what do you hear? I hear a statement of fact.

First, that's what I hear.

Listen to McMullen recount which movie inspired him to join the CIA, deflect my question

about a certain covert operation and describe his

hardscrabble life that preceded all of that and you can do that right now. Evan McMullen, thanks so much for being on K-pop.

Great to be with you.

So the interesting thing about your candidacy is how many months or weeks old is it?

It's about five weeks old, only.

Only five weeks.

And the thing that it's fascinated me is that there was another person who was touted

as sort of the conservative alternative to Donald Trump, a man by the name of David French,

writer at the National Review,

David French then decides, I'm not going to run.

You then appear and say, I'm going to run for president.

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