I'm I would like to welcome Richard Lim today to the show.

Richard is host of the incredible This American President podcast.

Richard is also a fellow member of the Parthenon Podcast Network.

You will be familiar with Richard's unique choices of who to kill and who to save from history

in our previous Parthenon podcast Roundtable episodes. And this is sort of a corollary to that,

in that today, since it got me thinking

Richard had some really interesting and thoughtful choices of why to kill and save certain

people, I'd love to hear what he has to say of who he, what historical events he would

personally like to witness hopefully just witness where

we're going to try not to kill anyone today but um richard how are you i'm great how are you doing

i'm great thank you so uh why don't we start off with you what would be your first historical

event you'd like to witness?

Sure, absolutely. So first, let me say I love this topic. I often accost friends of mine that

might not even care much about history with this question. This are like, you know, which 10 people,

five people would you like to meet if you could, if you could, you know, go back in time. And I think this is one of the

quintessential history nerd questions. So always a lot of fun to talk about this. So the first

event I would love to see. And this goes

back to a question. So it's one of these historical mysteries. In 18, or not 18, in 1783, at the end

of the American Revolution, there was an event called the Newberg conspiracy. And this event, basically, it was a

moment where some historians believe that members of Congress who wanted a strong national

government were fed up with Congress in general because it was quite inept and weak and ineffective. That never

happens nowadays, of course. And basically, they, in order to, in order to force Congress to act,

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