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'If You Can Keep It': James Comey And The Justice Department

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4.44.3K Ratings

🗓️ 29 September 2025

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

President Donald Trump has, according to many legal experts, crossed the Rubicon.

After years of railing against his perceived enemies and publicly threatening to use the government for revenge, he’s pressured the Justice Department to bring charges against someone he hates despite warnings from top prosecutors.

Late last week, a grand jury narrowly indicted former FBI Director James Comey on allegations that he lied to Congress in 2020. The 5-year statute of limitations was set to expire on Tuesday.

So, how independent is the DOJ? And how much independence should it have? We talk about how the Justice Department is treating Trump’s enemies and also how it’s treated his friends.

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President Donald Trump has, according to many legal experts, crossed the Rubicon. After years of

0:36.7

railing against his perceived enemies and publicly

0:39.3

threatening to use the government for his revenge, he's pressured the Justice Department to bring

0:44.0

charges against people he hates, despite warnings from top prosecutors of insufficient evidence.

0:50.5

Now, last week, the DOJ charged and a grand jury narrowly indicted former FBI director

0:55.9

James Comey on allegations that he lied to Congress in 2020.

1:00.6

Comey responded in a video message posted on social media.

1:04.2

My heart is broken for the Department of Justice, but I have great confidence in the federal

1:09.6

judicial system, and I'm innocent. So let's have a trial.

1:14.3

The indictment followed a campaign by President Trump in public and in private, demanding the DOJ

1:20.2

go after his perceived political enemies, Comey included. President Trump last week pushed out the U.S.

1:26.5

attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia

1:28.6

who resisted bringing the case and replaced him with a White House aide who served as one of his

1:34.2

personal lawyers. She's never prosecuted a case before. This isn't Trump's first attack on the DOJ's

1:40.8

independence. There were mass pardons and clemencies for 1600 January 6 defendants,

1:46.4

even for rioters who attacked police and militia members convicted of seditious conspiracy.

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