If society is making us sick, how can we heal?

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Society & Culture, News, Politics, News Commentary, Philosophy

4.6 • 10.8K Ratings

🗓️ 28 November 2022

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Sean Illing talks with Dr. Gabor Maté, a physician, speaker, and bestselling author who has written on subjects like addiction, stress, and attention deficit disorder. In Maté's new book, The Myth of Normal, he argues that the Western paradigm of health is fundamentally flawed in its attempt to separate inner, emotional well-being from bodily health. Sean and Dr. Maté discuss how our society and culture can contribute to illness. They also talk about the adverse effects of trauma, the therapeutic potential of psychedelics, and parenting. Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area Guest: Dr. Gabor Maté (@DrGaborMate), author; physician References: The Myth of Normal: Trauma, Illness, and Healing in a Toxic Culture by Gabor Maté, MD, with Daniel Maté (Avery; 2022) "Mothers Are the 'Shock Absorbers' of Our Society" by Jessica Grose (New York Times; Oct. 14, 2020) "'It's Life or Death': The Mental Health Crisis Among U.S. Teens" by Matt Richtel (New York Times; Apr. 23) Scattered Minds: The Origin and Healing of Attention Deficit Disorder by Gabor Maté, MD (Jan. 2023; Avery. Previously published as Scattered, 2000) "The brutal mirror: What the psychedelic drug ayahuasca showed me about my life" by Sean Illing (Vox; Feb. 19, 2018) "How to discipline your child and toddler, without hitting - Jordan Peterson" (YouTube; Mar. 15, 2018) Hold On to Your Kids by Gordon Neufeld and Gabor Maté, MD (Ballantine; 2006) "A Theory of Human Motivation" by Abraham H. Maslow (Psychological Review vol. 50; 1943) Enjoyed this episode? Rate The Gray Area ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. Subscribe for free. Be the first to hear the next episode of The Gray Area. Subscribe in your favorite podcast app. Support Vox Conversations by making a financial contribution to Vox! bit.ly/givepodcasts This episode was made by: Producer: Erikk Geannikis Editor: Amy Drozdowska Engineer: Patrick Boyd Editorial Director, Vox Talk: A.M. Hall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:46.0	I can't say that I have a list of favorite commencement speeches,
0:56.0	but I can tell you my favorite one.
0:58.0	It was given by the writer David Foster Wallace in 2005 at Kenyan College.
1:04.0	He started his talk with a parable about some fish.
1:08.0	There are these two young fish swimming along and they happen to meet an older fish swimming the other way.
1:14.0	Who nods at them and says morning boys has the water.
1:18.0	And the two young fish swim on for a bit and that eventually one of them looks over at the other and goes,
1:24.0	what the hell is water?
1:28.0	The point of that story, as Wallace says, is that the most obvious important realities are often the ones that are hardest to see and talk about.
1:40.0	He's right, of course. And what he says doesn't just apply to the day-to-day trenches of adult existence as he put it.
1:48.0	It also applies to the culture we swim in every day.
1:52.0	What we call normal, what we consider healthy, we don't think very much about these things.
2:00.0	We just take them for granted.
2:02.0	And that kind of blindness can be deadly.
2:06.0	I'm Sean Ely and this is the Gray Area.
2:12.0	My guest today is Dr. Gabor Mate.
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