If Russia Loses the War
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🗓️ 14 September 2022
⏱️ 20 minutes
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Summary
A Ukrainian counteroffensive has pushed Russian forces back to the east surprisingly quickly and effectively. Military experts are now wondering if Ukraine will win the war outright and avoid the stalemate that seemed likely only a few weeks ago. But if Vladamir Putin starts to feel the heat both in the field and from citizens at home, what is he capable of? And lacking a mechanism to remove their leader from office, what can Russians do?
Guest: Fred Kaplan is Slate’s war stories correspondent and author of The Bomb: Presidents, Generals, and the Secret History of Nuclear War.
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| 0:37.0 | The words American journalists are using to describe what's happened to Russian troops in Ukraine this week. |
| 0:43.4 | They're not kind. Humiliating is how the New York Times put it. |
| 0:47.9 | The Washington Post went with embarrassing. |
| 0:51.3 | Slates Fred Kaplan are war stories correspondent. |
| 0:54.9 | He'd agree with all of those descriptors. |
| 0:57.2 | After all, within a matter of days, Ukraine has managed to push Russian troops to the east so aggressively |
| 1:05.0 | that some are said to have peddled out on bicycles leaving their tanks behind. |
| 1:11.4 | But Fred is not surprised by any of this. |
| 1:14.8 | He says we've always known Ukrainian troops could mount an offensive like this. |
| 1:18.8 | What's clear now is how quickly they can do it. |
| 1:22.3 | What I've been surprised by is the speed with which they've mounted this counteroffensive |
| 1:30.3 | and how far it's gone. |
| 1:32.8 | I mean, you know, taking more than a thousand square miles in a matter of a couple of days. |
| 1:39.0 | I mean, that's extraordinary by almost anything in the annals of military history. |
| 1:44.8 | You've called it a wild success. |
| 1:47.0 | I mean, it really is. I don't think even they were expecting quite this speedy success. |
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