Hey everybody. Welcome to our special Friday episodes of Shop Talk.

Coming to you now is Shop Talk Number 4.

And I'm going to answer a question I get asked all the time which is

how in the world undefeated actually ever happened it's actually a pretty humor story and it's got a really valuable

lesson to it. So let's talk shop about the Genesis of Undefeded right after these brief messages from our generous sponsors.

In the 1980s and 90s, New York City needed a tough cop, like Detective Louis Scarcella.

Putting bad guys away.

There's no feeling like it in the world.

He was the guy who made sure the worst killers were brought to justice.

That's one version.

This guy is a piece of shit.

Derek Hamilton was put away from murder by Detective Scarcella.

In prison, Derek turned himself into the best jailhouse lawyer of his generation.

And the law was my girlfriend.

This is my only way of freedom.

Derek and other convicted murderers

started a law firm behind bars.

We never knew we had the same cop in the case. started a law firm behind bars.

We never knew we had the same cop in the case.

It's a car seller.

We gotta show that he's a corrupt cop.

They can go fuck themselves.

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