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How to Survive the End of the World
How to Survive the End of the World
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🗓️ 10 April 2026
⏱️ 31 minutes
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Summary
Autumn is hosting another show and you're gonna love it!
In the Season Four premiere of the Climate Changed podcast, Autumn talks with Tory Stephens, a storyteller, cultural worker, and climate justice advocate.
They explore the transformative power of climate fiction and its role in helping us envision the future. Tory discusses his groundbreaking work at Grist, where he founded Imagine 2200, an initiative that asks a simple yet radical question: What if we wrote stories not about what we fear but about what we hope to create? The discussion dives into how imagination connects with responsibility, how storytelling serves as a profound form of spiritual leadership, and why envisioning a new reality is essential for climate justice.
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Resources & Concepts Mentioned:
Thrutopia: Coined by philosopher Rupert Read and popularized by author Manda Scott through the Thrutopia Masterclass, a Thrutopian narrative threads the needle between utopia and dystopia. It focuses on writing grounded, plausible, and inspiring route maps that show exactly how we navigate through our current struggles to reach a future we’d be proud to leave behind.
Bloodchild by Octavia E. Butler: Autumn quotes the legendary science fiction author—who was the first African American woman to reach mainstream success in the genre—and her collection Bloodchild and Other Stories, reflecting on how sci-fi stimulates necessary imagination and creativity.
North Woods by Daniel Mason: A novel mentioned by Nicole Diroff from The BTS Center’s Summer Fiction Book Club, highlighting how fiction can make the natural landscape the main character.
Humans of New York: The iconic photoblog that Tory credits with changing his perspective early in his career, teaching him the unparalleled power of human-centric storytelling over dry statistics.
Visionary Fiction: A framework of world-building and storytelling that Autumn Brown and her sister use in their writing retreats, which actively wrestles with the sacred and reclaims spiritual practices.
Dream Seeds: A term favored by Grist and Imagine 2200 to describe stories that plant concrete, hopeful visions of how society could be organized completely differently.
Eve Mosher & Creating Your Story of Tomorrow: An adult education facilitator guide and video created by renowned environmental artist Eve Mosher, available on the BTS Center’s Leadership Commons.
“Seven Sisters” by Susan Kaye Quinn; 3rd place winner of the 2022 Imagine 2200 contest.
The Case of the Missing Lake by Colby Devitt; published in November 2025 by Imagine 2200.
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/torystephens
Bluesky: @torystephens.bsky.social
Imagine 2200 (Grist): About Imagine 2200: Climate Fiction
More from Tory: Shaping the Future Through Climate Fiction (Podcast Interview)
Thank Yous: We want to extend our deepest gratitude to everyone who made this episode possible:
Tory Stephens, for sharing his incredible vision, imagination, and wisdom with us.
Peterson Toscano, producer of Climate Changed, for producing this episode and for providing the wonderful grounding for this episode.
The BTS Center team, for your ongoing support and for providing the resources and platform that make this podcast possible.
A podcast by The BTS Center exploring some of the most pressing questions about faith, life, and climate change.
Produced by Peterson Toscano, the podcast features acclaimed guests such as Brian McLaren, Elizabeth Rush, Craig Santos Perez, and many more.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, beloved survivors. This is Autumn. We're coming in today with a special bonus episode. |
| 0:12.3 | This year, I have the honor to guest host another podcast called Climate Change, which is a project of the BTS Center. |
| 0:23.9 | Climate Change is a podcast about becoming more human in a more than human world. I'm Helming Season 4, which is looking at |
| 0:31.2 | spiritual leadership on the front lines of the climate crisis. As a part of the show, I get to |
| 0:37.2 | have conversations with five incredible |
| 0:40.0 | guests and then discuss those conversations in even more depth with my co-host, Reverend Nicole Diroff. |
| 0:47.2 | One of the conversations I had was with Tori Stevens, who created the Imagine 2,200 climate fiction series at Grist. |
| 0:56.2 | Tori and I talked in depth about the role of imagination in guiding our climate solutions. |
| 1:01.6 | And I am so excited to get to share an excerpt of that conversation with all of you, beloveds. |
| 1:08.9 | Enjoy the show. |
| 1:13.2 | Today's guest is Tori Stevens. |
| 1:16.5 | Tori publishes climate fiction, weaves networks, and builds relationships that expand the mission of Grist, where he created Imagine 2,200 Climate Fiction for Future Ancestors. |
| 1:28.3 | His work asks a simple question with radical implications. |
| 1:32.3 | What if we wrote stories, not about what we fear, but about what we hope to create? |
| 1:37.1 | He challenges us not just to warn each other of impending doom, but to dream together a future possibility. |
| 1:44.9 | Tori, welcome to the show. |
| 1:46.9 | Thank you so much for being a part of this season of climate change. |
| 1:51.7 | Welcome. |
| 1:52.4 | Thanks for having me. |
| 1:53.8 | I just want to pick up right where you were going before we started recording. |
| 1:59.3 | I was sharing a little bit about the theme of this season, spiritual leadership on the front lines of climate change, chaplaincy and spiritual care and support on the front lines of climate change. And you were saying, I have a lot of thoughts about this. |
| 2:12.8 | Yes, I manage a climate fiction initiative at Grist. I'm actually the founder as well. We lean into having |
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