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And welcome back to the program Tom Hartman here with you.

On the line with us is John Powell of it.

He's a writer, a pastor, an activist.

He's the author of three books, including stuff that needs to be said, which is the name of his popular blog.

And his latest, if God is loved, don't be a jerk.

And I thought this would be a fascinating conversation.

Tell us the basic premise of your book, where are you starting with this?

I'm starting with the question of whether or not someone's expression of their personal faith

yields a more compassionate or less compassionate world.

And if it doesn't lead to a more compassionate world, what's the point of it?

Speaking to a number of people in our country right now who claim Christianity,

but who don't seem at all burdened with the teachings of Jesus.

Yeah, I, you know, I, I did an extended rant the other day a couple of days ago about Matthew 25 and how,

you know, nobody seems to be paying any attention to the one place in the New Testament where

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