Jennifer, President Biden said he wanted to be a bridge to a new generation of Democratic

leadership.

So has he been?

Yeah.

I think we have a great bench.

You know, if you look at, I mean, he's going to be the nominee for the Democrats in 2024.

But when you look at the bench of possible presidential candidates that are in waiting

for 2028, you know, I have a theory that the Trump years may Democrats great.

It's really good candidates because there's so much on the line.

I think both the caliber quality of candidates, the issues that governors had to deal with.

So existential.

I think that it just produced a whole generation of talent that might not have coalesced

if there had not been so much on the line.

That's Jennifer Paul Meary, who was Communications Director for Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign

and was a White House Communications Director under President Obama, which is also the author

of the New York Times bestseller, Dear Madam President, and you can see her on Showtime

series, The Circus.

We're also joined today by Chris Smith, who is also a bestseller and author, including

of the Daily Show, The Book, which I loved.

And he's a contributing editor at Vanity Fair covering politics.

And I'm Brian Stelter.

Let me welcome you to Inside the Hive from Vanity Fair.

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