If America Is “Winning,” Why Does the Economy Feel Like This? (with Talmon Joseph Smith)
Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer
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🗓️ 23 December 2025
⏱️ 41 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | The rising inequality and growing political instability that we see today are the direct result of decades of bad economic theory. |
| 0:10.6 | The last five decades of trickle-down economics haven't worked. |
| 0:14.8 | But what's the alternative? |
| 0:16.3 | Middle-out economics is the answer. |
| 0:18.6 | Because the middle class is the source of growth, not its consequence. |
| 0:23.1 | That's right. |
| 0:28.7 | This is pitchfork economics with Nick Hanauer, a podcast about how to build the economy from the middle out. |
| 0:36.9 | Welcome to the show. So, Nick, how are your |
| 0:44.4 | vibes this morning? My vibes are fine. Yeah, you're feeling good about the economy. Things are |
| 0:50.7 | going well for you, which is a good economy. Yes. I don't know if you knew this, |
| 0:57.6 | but apparently not all Americans feel that way. Yeah. No, I'm aware. And today we're joined |
| 1:06.0 | by an economics reporter from the New York Times who agrees with that. Yeah. Who's been focused on it. |
| 1:13.6 | He's a recent article out called America's never been wealthier. Here's why it doesn't feel that way, |
| 1:19.0 | which digs into this growing gap between the numbers and the lived experience of most people. |
| 1:24.3 | And I think it's obviously, it's a very big issue in America today. It was big in the |
| 1:28.7 | last election. It's, well, obviously, it's been a big deal for 25 years. We're just finally beginning |
| 1:33.8 | to grapple with it. To be clear, the majority of Americans have been grappling with this |
| 1:39.7 | for quite some time. Yeah, that was unfair, wasn't. It's politically worded. It's the political and media |
| 1:46.0 | elite who are just beginning to grapple with my God. GDP is so strong. Aggregate wealth is so high. |
| 1:54.0 | Why are people so upset? Yeah, exactly. My private plane has never been faster. Yeah, exactly. |
| 2:00.1 | Anyway, you know, it's just going to take a long time to get this to evolve more sensible |
| 2:06.7 | conversations about this. |
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