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🗓️ 15 January 2022
⏱️ 88 minutes
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Sylvain Pataille is the owner and winemaker at Domaine Sylvain Pataille, which is located in the Marsannay area of Burgundy, within France.
Sylvain discusses the impact in Burgundy of economic changes over the last one hundred years, and notes the special situation of Marsannay, which is near the city of Dijon in France. He does into some depth about the the vine planting history of the Marsannay area, and the commercial success of rosé wine from Marsannay. Sylvain then relates the more recent history of his own family's wine domaine, including its association with the Aligoté grape. This leads him to contrast the region's older viticultural practices - which he has identified from reading older books - with more recent norms. He also gives an overview of the different areas of the Marsannay appellation, and its top crus.
Sylvain describes his own progression in oenology, from a more technical lab background to his very different focus today. He talks about working with "the best and the worst wine growers" in Burgundy as an oenological consultant, and what feelings led him to leave that sort of business in the lab behind, with a shift of focus to his own wine domaine. At his own domaine he has explored no sulphur vinifications and low sulphur bottlings, as well as non-filtered bottlings, which he sums up as "new old style." He has also attempted to use less sulphur and copper treatments in his vineyards, and experimented with Biodynamic applications.
Sylvain summarizes what is particular about the native yeasts and bacteria of Burgundy. He also details how the shift in vintage conditions from year to year, alternating between hot and cold years, has implications for both the vineyard work and the winemaking. He further contrasts the draining ability of different types of soils he works with, and what that means for the work in the vines. Realizations about yields, and what they imply for the finished wines, are also shared, as well as key times for decisions about yields. Guyot Poussard pruning, which is concerned with sap flow pathways in the vine wood, is something that Sylvain has embraced, and he explains why in this interview. He gives a summary of some of the advantages of Guyot Poussard, and what he values in his vineyard work. Sylvain gives an overview of the differences between Aligoté, Chardonnay, and Pinot Noir in the vineyard, as well.
Stem inclusion is something that Sylvain prefers in both white and red wines, and he explains why, as well as what stems bring to the final wines in terms of color, alcohol level, and acidity. He also discusses why he prefers to crush fruit, and what crushing promotes in a fermentation and in a finished wine. When it comes to pressing, Sylvain also has his preferences, and he explains the benefits of vertical pressing. Further, he addresses topics likes the timing of malolactic conversion, lees stirring, oxidation, and reduction, specifically enunciating multiple causes of reduction. Sylvain also gives his thoughts on the topic of premature oxidation (premox) of Chardonnay in Burgundy in general.
This episode also features commentary from:
Bruno Clair (translated by Peter Wasserman), Domaine Bruno Clair
John Kongsgaard, Kongsgaard Wine
Becky Wasserman, Becky Wasserman & Co.
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0:00.0 | I'll drink to that where we get behind the scenes of the beverage business, I'm Levy |
0:05.7 | Dalton, I'm Erin Scala, and here's our show today. |
0:25.3 | Ivan Patai, who is the guest on today's episode, has more than a few surprises to share |
0:31.1 | about the turns his life and his winemaking have taken. |
0:35.7 | My life has been completely opposite of what I saw. |
0:39.8 | Patai's domain is based in Marcenei, which is an area of Burgundy with its own particular |
0:44.9 | history. |
0:45.9 | And it's a history shaped and part by Marcenei's proximity to the city of Dijon by Appalachian |
0:52.2 | groupings, and by the historical presence of Domain Claire Dau, which no longer exists |
0:59.2 | in the way that it did for half of the 20th century, was founded by Joseph Claire. |
1:05.3 | Joseph grew up in Burgundy, in humble circumstances, and was originally not a winemaker. |
1:11.3 | He worked in the French Civil Service before World War I, but the war altered the course |
1:16.0 | of Joseph's life, as his grandson Bruno Claire explained to me. |
1:20.9 | Bruno, who owns a winery in Marcenei today, spoke to me about the history of Marcenei |
1:25.4 | in general, and about his grandfather, Joseph, in particular, in a conversation translated |
1:31.5 | by Peter Wasserman. |
1:33.1 | So he would have wanted to be a winemaker, but he couldn't, and the war changed everything, |
1:50.5 | because of the war and the studies that he had done. |
1:53.9 | He ended up in the artillery. |
1:57.1 | So every time the regiment of which he was part of got pretty much killed off, they came |
2:02.1 | back to Dijon to reform. |
2:05.1 | He was a non-commissioned officer at first and then an officer, so he was billeted outside |
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