Hello, what a day it's been. Thank you everyone for being with us to say the least. What a night and a day. It's been. We've been working hard with this breaking news that's come down that a 28 year old man was arrested in Pennsylvania in connection to the Moscow Idaho homicides for University of Idaho students Brian co burger is the suspects name. He is in custody. We're still awaiting more. He will.

Be in court for the first time on January 3rd. That's Tuesday the day after the holiday. And I'm sure we'll know a lot more than we both watch the news conference today our channel hit and true crime live streamed that press conference and there is a lot we know and a lot to learn as as a police said in that press conference.

This is just the beginning. They said this is the beginning of a new phase. So we're anxious to learn more, but it's also been a very big night and day for us. Hasn't it, Dr. John, we were we were up late working because actually we had heard from multiple sources that there might be a big update this morning. We heard that late last night and with that being said, we had a very late work day working on some other projects.

Those of you that joined us for our middle of the night live know that I want to give a big shout out to my amazing and talented wife. We were on a live last night at like one to two ish somewhere in there our time Pacific time and she didn't get to bed till four PM. I didn't get to bed till three. So we were up late and then our phones started blowing up this morning with news of what was occurring in Idaho and then Lauren went on national news outlets.

Two to three times. I think she's been on three times today and learning more about the case and our sources and our contacts and it's just she's been working incredibly hard and you must be exhausted. So thank you for your hard work and I'll make sure you get to better early tonight.

Thank you, babe. That that deserves a babe. Thank you, babe. Thank you, Dr. John. For those of you new to our podcast on our YouTube channel. Dr. John is a forensic psychologist. He's also my husband. So for all of those maybe confused. Thank you. Sweetheart. That was really nice. I woke up to my phone buzzing and leaned over. You know, you do that in bed. Lean over. Look to the text. Realize there had already been the arrest, which is what we were speculating might happen.

Again, as I was trying to read the text and learn more. I started getting a phone call. I jumped out of bed and it was a producer for news nation and yeah, we've been working ever since. So thank you. And we'll be on after this. So which means we need to get going. I'll be on with Ashley Bandfield later tonight. So let's get this started live our hidden hour live started. There is again, a lot we know and there is a lot we don't know.

So, so I want to ask you, Dr. John, where do we start?

Yeah, that's a good question. So let me just make a quick disclaimer here, which is that we don't know a lot and a lot more information is going to be forthcoming apparently next week when they released a probable cause statement. So I should point out that in my analysis that this is speculation.

And the suspect here is innocent until proven guilty. So we're not suggesting necessarily that he committed this crime, because we don't know what the evidence is.

However, in some of the speculations, I think there's going to be a presumption that there was a crime committed and he was somehow involved in it. But I don't want to suggest that he's definitely guilty.

Because we don't know the disclaimer is that I'll develop some scenarios and hypotheses and provide some insights if I can. My guess is, if you ask me, it sounds like they probably had a DNA match somewhere or maybe a fingerprint match presumably it seems like from some of our source because that he worked security at a school in that circumstance, he would have had to have been fingerprinted and maybe they matched him to those. I don't know it presumably you find something that.

Tied him to the crime scene, you wouldn't expect this suspect to have any DNA or fingerprints in a house that presumably he was never in my guess, if they found any DNA from him, unless he has a compelling reason for being there, it wouldn't look good for him.

He was arrested in Pennsylvania, that's where his family is from, but he was a student nearby at Washington State University, a PhD student studying criminology, we'll talk about that in a little bit.

Since we don't know a lot of the details, I want to back up a little bit and kind of take a bird's view of the situation, you have to begin, for me, at least, the idea that the suspect was having aggressive and violent impulses and probably fantasy surrounding some type of murder.

And, you know, my thought on that would be that that's not necessarily unusual, that there's a Freudian idea, which is one of Freud's big ideas, which is that were creatures were animals, and he kind of borrows this idea from Darwin, and the Freudian idea essentially is that if we're animals, then we're driven by aggressive impulses or instincts, and we're driven by sexual instincts.

And, you know, as much as we want to deny the fact that we're creatures, that Freud kind of reminds us, no, you know, in some ways, we're really driven by the same things, and so this idea that aggressive and violent impulses play a role in human behavior is an important one, and it goes back to Freud, and it's based on that notion that I just described.

So Freud's idea is that we all have these impulses, right, and some of us deny them, some of us acknowledge them, this is, by the way, what the psychologist Carl Jung called the shadow side, so we all have kind of a shadow side, and we all have to deal with that.

Some of us deal with it in a more healthy fashion than others, but it's there, so I think this story starts with that.

And it starts with the fact that Brian co burger is having probably a lot of aggressive and violent impulses, and I want to actually you showed me a quote that's his favorite quote.

Yes, I have it here actually Brian co burger psychology, he says his favorite memory or quote, it is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it Aristotle.

Right, and that's, that's a really interesting quote, and if you ask me for my favorite quote, it wouldn't be that that quote suggests that there's some conflict, right, the quote actually, so the quote I think speaks to what I'm talking about, I mean the quote is vague, right, but he's saying that you can entertain thoughts and not accept them, so it sounds to me like he's he's having potentially violent or aggressive thoughts and impulses, and he's trying not to

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