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Hi, I'm Rachel Hampton. And I'm Candice Lem. And you're listening to ICYMI.

Incassion Mythic Slate's podcast about internet culture. And today we have a special treat.

We're bringing you a very fun episode from our friends over at what next TBD podcast.

In this episode, host Lizzie O'Leary brings an Ashley Carmen, a Bloomberg news reporter who

covers the podcasting music and audio beat. The two discuss how the music streaming business has

opened the door to billions of dollars in fraud. And without further ado, here's the show.

I started my interview with Ashley Carmen by asking her to listen to a song or rather a clip of a song.

So do you do you know what that was?

Yes, I am very well aware. Can you tell me what it was?

Yes, so it's a song called Hey Kids by an artist named Molina. She's a Danish Chilean singer.

And Ashley knows the song because it was a key part of a story she just wrote.

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