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Sign up for your $1 a month trial at Shopify.com slash setup. Hey, I'm Kate Lindsay, and you're listening to I-C-Y-M-I, or in case you missed it, Slate's podcast about internet culture.

And here with me today is another Kate in many ways, Laura Kate Dale. Hello, Laura.

Hi, how are you?

I am good, and I'm also just realizing

Laura is my mom's name.

So there's, like, a lot of name connection happening here.

A small world, isn't it?

But, Laura, you are a writer. You're a gamer. You're also a streamer yourself, correct?

Yes, I am. I've been a weekly, multiple times a week streamer for, gosh, nearly a decade now, which makes me feel old.

Oh, my God. I mean, I could have guessed because you have, like, that amazing background that streamers have, which is like, I mean, perfectly in like a soft focus.

I believe like those are bunny ears on the chair. Yeah, they are.

You know, it's, it comes with the package of streaming.

At some point, you've got to have a notable chair behind you.

Yeah, and just for context, I am under a blanket.

So different energies, but all of this, the gaming, the writing, the streaming, it makes

you perfect for today's episode.

But before we get into why, Laura, I have to ask you the question that we ask all first

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