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When genocide has been carried out in this country almost with impunity and when it is near to come back in this country almost with impunity and when it is near to completion

people talk about intervention.

You don't get freedom peaceful.

Freedom is never safeguarded people.

Anyone who is surprising you of freedom isn't deserving of a people approach. Hello and I'm Matthew Galen. The Taliban. We all know them.

Few of us love them.

I'm Jason Field.

And I'm Matthew Galen.

The Taliban. We all know them. Few of us love them. And it looks like they're going to

rule Afghanistan again. So what was it like the first time the Islamic militants took over in 1996. Today we have two

journalists who were in Afghanistan in the 90s, Scott Newman who was working

for United Press International, and wrote from the scene and Alan Chin a

photographer who went to Afghanistan several times to take pictures for the New York

Times. I've known them both for more than 20 years, which is an embarrassment to all three of us.

Thank you so much for joining us.

Thank you. Thank you, Jason. All right. Let's start off with sort of a basic question.

What was your first encounter with the Taliban?

Scott, could you go first?

So I was based in Delhi at the time with UPI and I had been interested in going in Afghanistan for a couple of years, a year since I'd been in the Bureau and I convinced my editor to let me get a an entry visa

which at the time was the Rabani government but the reason why I was able to get him

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