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Ambassador Rice, welcome to the Daily Social Distancing Show.

It's great to be with you, Trevor, thanks.

It's a very different way to be with one another and during this time I've realized this also a very different way for us to mourn the passing of people that we admired or loved.

Most recently, John Lewis, when you look at his legacy and his life and what we need to continue doing today, how far do you think we are on continuing that journey and creating that good trouble as he called it?

Well, I hope that John Lewis's legacy will be to give us all a kick in the pants and remind us that we can be much better than we are, especially than we are today.

You know, he had such warmth and such humanity and such courage and he never, never quit fighting and he knew that he was leaving us at a moment when we were being sorely tested.

When there's the possibility of us finally reckoning as he tried all his life with our historic racial injustices and our deep-seated inequalities that are not only racial but socioeconomic.

But it's also a moment where we're struggling with a pandemic that is disproportionately affecting low-income people and people of color, immigrants.

And we have leadership that literally could care less.

You were the national security adviser to President Obama. You were part of the pandemic response team. You were part of the people who were tasked with protecting America from a situation just like this.

What plans did you have in place that the Trump administration did or didn't use or what should have been done as somebody who was on a task force design just to do this?

We understood as did frankly prior administrations that pandemics are inevitable.

It's hard to predict exactly when they'll come but we know they will come and they've come repeatedly since 1918.

In fact, we had under the Obama administration in 2009 what was known as the swine flu pandemic which was quite consequential.

So we understood this could happen so we were prepared. We left the incoming Trump administration with briefing papers and a 69-page playbook which I like to call pandemics for dummies.

It was here all the questions and considerations you should run through if and when you face this kind of crisis.

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