Hey, I'm Kate Lindsay, and you're listening to I-C-Y-M-I, or in case you missed it, Slate's

podcast about internet culture.

And today on the show, we are welcoming back Tatum Hunter.

Hello Tatum.

Hello.

Tatum is a tech and internet culture writer.

She's written for places like The Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal.

She was last on her show to talk about Australia's under 16 social media ban.

And so now with more bands passing in places like the UK

and I know Canada is now gearing up for it,

she's back to talk about what it would mean for us

if kids were no longer on social media.

But before we get to that,

we must talk about the other thing

that I know is a thorn in your side

because I follow you on Instagram,

which is meta-glasses.

We have talked about meta-glasses on this show before.

We recently spoke to Matt Bernstein about meta-glasses, and their recent push like, kind of like, fashiony girl boss items

with their collaboration with Kylie Jenner.

But I'm excited to just talk about it briefly with you because as an Instagram follower of yours,

I know you similarly have thoughts about this recent sort of PR effort that's been happening

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