I'm Gary O'Reilly and I'm Chuck Nice. This is playing with science.

It is as if you didn't know already, right? Today is Rugby's turn to step into the limelight.

Rugby? Yes. Oh my goodness. Where the hell did rugby even come from?

Rugby school, it originated, so the legend has it by William Webb Ellis in 1823. He got bored

with kicking a ball. So he was playing soccer and like most people he got bored.

Got bored. Bad boy. He decided to pick it up and rumble it instead. From then on, it becomes

rugby football. Believe it or not, rugby is very popular on a global level and never once

have the players worn pads. Oh my god. That is so ridiculous. And of course, if you've ever seen

the game, they are knocking, dust stuffing out of each other. Yes, they do. They love it.

And joining us today, I'm so pleased about this guest, he's a man who's played professionally

on every continent. Former USA captain and most capped Eagles player, yes, if you hadn't already

worked it out, Todd Clever. But that's not all we have, is it? To pull apart the science of this

incredibly physical game, having played it, I can vouch for it being incredibly physical,

will be physicist professor Trevor Lipscomb, a Catholic University of America, the author of the

physics of rugby. But joining us first, that man rugby is Captain America. That's right.

Welcome to the show, sir. Thank you very much. Thank you very much for having me.

Oh, man. All right, let's get for listeners who aren't familiar with the sport. Can you break

down a few of the basics for us without going way back to point one? Yeah, I mean, it's a complex

game. It's 15 versus 15 is the original turf, original game. They've broken it down to 7 versus 7

as well. So, so different, a couple of different varieties of rugby. But it's continuous play,

every player plays offensive defense. You pass the ball backwards, you tackle, tackle hard,

you know, key to the game is possession. You score a try, which is basically you touch the ball

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