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And I'm Kate Lindsay.

And you're listening to I see why am I.

In case you missed it.

Slate's podcast about internet culture.

And Candice, I don't think I've ever asked you this,

but I want to hear about your first scrappy, like out of college job.

Yes, yes, yes.

Okay.

Basically, I think I would consider my first out-of-college job as an intern, or I guess we could consider it like a production assistant for how I built this, the podcast at NPR.

That was a very fun time. I honestly think it really, it really felt like I was in my early 20s, hustling in D.C., like running from studio to studio, passing by, you know,

all these people I loved at NPR. But I will admit, definitely not well paid. Definitely

overworked. Definitely too scared to ask for overtime.

I remember that very, very clearly.

And I do remember the best day of my life during that time was when I got promoted from intern to like temp.

And I remember someone was like, oh, yeah, the best part is you finally are going to get paid more. And I was like, oh, my God, how much? And they said, $21 and $25 an hour. And I truly was like, everyone drinks on me. Yeah, I am Elon Musk. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yeah. What about you? Do you remember? Yeah, so I weirdly, I basically cobbled together a lot of gigs right out of college because while I was in college, I started writing for a website for, speaking of I Am Rich, $25 an article.

Yep.

And I would turn those out and, you know, dine like a queen at the one bar on campus.

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