Head home for the holidays with Abercrombie and Fitch. Between family dinners and making time to catch up with friends, my calendar gets booked up.

When I need to look put together, Abercrombie makes it easy to find outfits for all of my fans.

With their classic jumpers, essential hoodies and Abercrombie denim, I've got my holiday fits covered for the whole season.

Shop Abercrombie in the app, online and in stores.

Ready to launch your business? Get started with the commerce platform made for entrepreneurs.

Shopify is specially designed to help you start, run and grow your business

with easy customizable themes

that let you build your brand,

marketing tools that get your products out there.

Integrated shipping solutions

that actually save you time.

From startups to scale ups,

online, in person and on the go.

Shopify is made for entrepreneurs like you.

Sign up for your $1 a month trial at Shopify.com slash setup.

Hey, I'm Kate Lindsay, and you're listening to I-C-Y-M-I or, in case you missed it, Slate's podcast about internet culture.

And back with us today, friend of the show, culture writer Angelina Mata, Welcome Angelina. Thank you. I've always wanted to be

referred to as like a friend of the pod. Yeah. It's like the title I've been trying to attain my

entire life. So thank you for that. Yeah. No. And I feel like when you're on your third I see why

my episode that gives you friend of the pod status. We should do jackets like how S&L does the watch. I actually get like a punch card also. Yeah, yeah. Redeemable for what? We don't know. Well, we'll figure that out. And I know you're thinking for this episode of particular, finally, finally you were on because you have been wanting to do this episode for weeks.

You've been in my ear. But I am going to make you wait a little longer before we sort of introduce

the topic because first we need to talk about something that I'm sorry to say in my life at least

...