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I'm going to jump straight into it because this is honestly one of the most fascinating

stories I've ever come across.

I remember an op-ed you wrote about it, but I'm going to start with you, Eli.

How do you decide to write the story?

How do you even believe the story and where do you start in saying, here's a formal white

nationalist.

When did you start learning about Derek?

So I was writing about Dylan Roof, who'd committed the hate murder of nine people at a church

in Charleston, South Carolina, a historically black church, and he'd spent a lot of time

on this site called Stormfront.

So I went on the site to try to learn about him, learn about this community.

It's the largest hate site in the world.

And there were certainly threads on there saying really upsetting things about what Dylan

Roof had done, celebrating him, but the biggest thread was about somebody named Derek

Black, who was the son of the founder of this board, David Duke's godson, had been raised

to sort of lead this ideology, and then had disavowed it and sort of disappeared.

And so I wanted to find him, and I did.

So you're looking for, I remember the name of Derek Black, who people are saying on the

sites is basically the mastermind behind this ideology, someone who's inspired them.

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