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Switched on Pop

ICYMI: Billie Eilish is a Different Kind of Pop Star (ft. FINNEAS)

Switched on Pop

Vox Media Podcast Network

Music Interviews, Music History, Music, Music Commentary

4.62.7K Ratings

🗓️ 31 December 2019

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

On a trajectory to be one of the biggest pop stars for this generation, seventeen year old Billie Eilish is not, however, your typical pop star. Her music speaks to the real anxieties of young people without any veneer. She sings from the perspective of monsters and villains. Her hushed voice, baggy style, and direct demeanor subvert the norms of the pop princess. And her music is dark, but still catchy. Billie co-writes and produces her sound with her older brother Finneas O’Connell. Together this family duo have crafted the second biggest selling album of 2019, “When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?” On this episode, we examine how Billie and Finneas crafted a cultural phenomenon, why their message speaks to this generation, and we speak with Finneas about the creation of their hit song “Bad Guy.” MORE Watch Billie and Finneas break down “Bury A Friend” on The New York TimesBillie Eilish – Ocean Eyes Billie Eilish – Bored Billie Eilish – You Should See Me In A Crown Billie Eilish – Bad Guy Billie Eilish – Bury A Friend Marilyn Manson – The Beautiful People The Doors – People Are Strange Nine Inch Nails – Closer Billie Eilish – ilomilo Billie Eilish – All Good Girls Go To Hell Billie Eilish – Xanny Frank Sinatra – Dream A Dream Billie Eilish – I love you John Carpenter – Halloween Theme Billie Eilish – Bellyache MORE Billie Eilish explained on Vox.com Watch Billie and Finneas break down “Bury A Friend” on The New York Times Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

First, sweet tarts dare to combine sweet and tart, but they didn't stop there.

0:06.0

Now they've combined soft and bouncy to bring you new sweet tarts, gummy fruity splits.

0:12.0

A uniquely delicious dual-sided gummy with one side that's sweet, and the other side that's tart.

0:19.0

But entirely smooth and squishy.

0:22.0

A powerfully perfect combo.

0:24.0

Sweet tarts dare to combine.

0:27.0

Nate, have I told you about my superhero theory of pop music?

0:31.0

No, I definitely would have remembered. What's that?

0:35.0

Okay, so it's basically this idea that super pop stars are like superheroes, and they have a similar story arc of superheroes.

0:43.0

First, you get the origin story, the confront some major thing, eventually they team up with other people and featured some kind of big team of other superheroes.

0:54.0

And then eventually things turn around and you get the anti-hero story, you get the dark side of them.

1:00.0

You could look at someone like Argonne Grande where it's like you get Disney Princess, who then teams up with producer Zed and eventually puts out this dark record.

1:08.0

And thank you next, right? Like the whole arc of the superhero.

1:11.0

Interesting. Okay, so in this analogy, being bit by a radioactive spider is like kind of equivalent to getting signed to a major label.

1:19.0

Your extension of this analogy is perfect because the other thing that happens in superhero narratives is that every couple of years they get rebooted.

1:27.0

How many spider-mands have we had? Like 17? Okay, I'm with you. I'm with you.

1:32.0

Superheroes have to have a narrative that sort of speaks to their time and their generation.

1:36.0

And eventually they age out and there's a new audience that needs a superhero that speaks to the issues of the moment.

1:44.0

And in pop music, I think we're going through a transition. And there's no better superhero, super pop star to look at than Billy Eilish.

1:54.0

She just perfectly captures this moment. I can't wait. All right, a new pop hero emerges. Let's do it.

2:01.0

Welcome to Switched Unpop. I'm songwriter Charlie Harding. And I'm musicologist Nate Sloan.

2:19.0

Okay, so Nate, I feel like there's a couple of things that we need to do here. This is sort of an a typical Switched Unpop piece.

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