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Uncanny Valley | WIRED

ICE’s Secret Expansion Plans; Palantir Employees’ Ethical Concerns; AI Assistants

Uncanny Valley | WIRED

WIRED

Technology

4.1572 Ratings

🗓️ 12 February 2026

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

This week, Brian, Leah, and Zoë discuss WIRED’s big scoop on ICE’s startling plans to expand to nearly every state in the US. Then, they unpack Alex Karp’s nearly-hour-long non-response to Palantir employees with ethical concerns about collaborating with ICE. Plus, a WIRED writer lets the viral AI assistant OpenClaw run his life for a week to give listeners a peek into what AI agents can and can’t actually do. 


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0:00.0

Welcome to Wired's Uncanny Valley.

0:06.2

I'm Zoe Schiffer, director of business and industry.

0:09.5

I'm Brian Barrett, executive editor.

0:11.0

And I'm Leah Feiger, senior politics editor.

0:20.0

I want to continue a conversation that we started yesterday in Slack after work hours for some of us.

0:27.3

Absolutely.

0:28.2

And this is about the men's short program figure skating.

0:36.0

This is about the Olympics in general with a focus.

0:39.0

But I very specifically want to pick up on the conversation

0:41.8

where Zoe had very strong feelings about the results of men's figure skating.

0:46.9

I feel like we need to back up because you and Leah authentically care about the Olympics.

0:52.2

So much.

0:52.5

And I think just know more about sports than I do. Yes. I have never engaged with sports ever, just as a whole rule, as a category. It doesn't exist in my life. Say the lines. Say the lines, Zoe, or I'm going to read them verbatim from Slack. Wait, I don't even know what you're talking about. I was merely surprised when I watched because the Americans went. I thought, wow, that guy basically fell over and was clumping around the ice. And then Japan went and they were sailing around like little swans. And then when the gold medal came, it went to the Americans. I was literally jaw on the floor. I couldn't believe what had happened. No one else seemed outraged. For a little backup for our non-ice skating Olympic fans, I was always referring to Ilya Malanin, who a number of publications and sports experts say might actually be one of the greatest figure skaters of all time. That is who you are calling the person who fell over, right? Zoe, just to be clear. And I'd like to not to pile on, but definitely to pile on. I had not seen the performances when we talked about this. Later, I watched them. And it was the guy who came in Silver from Japan who actually did a stumble and landed on the ice and had to get back up. Absolutely. Go to the tape. No, no, no. Play the tape. We're not, we're talking about two different programs. I don't know. We're talking like. We might be talking about different programs.

2:04.0

Flawless.

2:04.8

Oh. Absolutely. Go to the tape. No, no, no. We're not, we're talking about two different programs. I don't know.

2:02.4

we're talking like we might be talking about flawless oh you're talking about the team

2:03.5

this is another thing I mean I just want to say right now I don't

2:05.8

understand anything about like what is

2:07.9

like short program on

2:10.4

yesterday I tried to again watch

2:11.9

something about the Olympics to prepare for this

2:14.2

episode and I thought I was watching

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