ICE Kills With Your Money

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🗓️ 27 January 2026

⏱️ 79 minutes

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Summary

This week, the mask comes all the way off. In a chilling double-header, we expose how Stephen Miller’s extremist agenda has metastasized into unchecked power inside Immigration and Customs Enforcement—with deadly consequences. Journalist Greg Sargent joins us first to break down Miller’s ideological grip on ICE and the escalation of federal violence, including the killing of Alex Pretti this past weekend—an event that underscores how cruelty is no longer a byproduct of policy, but the point. Then, former Federal Emergency Management Agency Director Craig Fugate explains how disaster relief money meant to keep Americans alive during a brutal snowstorm was siphoned away—from FEMA to ICE—revealing a federal priorities list where enforcement beats survival and repression beats relief. This is what unchecked power looks like. This is how a government turns DHS funding and disaster relief into opportunity. And this is why it matters right now.
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You can find Greg Sargent on X @GregTSargent, on Bluesky @gregsargent.bsky.social, and at www.thenewrepublic.com. Also, check out his podcast, ‘The Daily Blast.’

You can find Craig Fugate @WCraigFugate on X.

Rick Wilson is on X at @TheRickWilson, on Bluesky at @TheRickWilson.bsky.social, and you can check out Rick's Substack at therickwilson.substack.com. You can check out more of LP's work at www.lincolnproject.us and on X at @ProjectLincoln.

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0:00.0	Hey, everybody. We've got a special double header episode for you today on the Lincoln Project podcast. First, we have an interview we recorded a couple weeks ago with Greg Sargent. And we kept thinking, today is the day, today is today's today, today's today. But today is the day. And I'll tell you why. It's about Stephen Miller and ICE. And it's a really important topic because Stephen Miller is in control of the horrors that we are
0:21.2	seeing play out on the streets of America and in control of the public executions of American
0:25.3	citizens.
0:26.7	We also have an interview with what DHS should be doing.
0:30.2	It's with former FEMA director Craig Fugate.
0:32.3	The whole country is locked in this massive ice storm.
0:34.7	We've got another big ice storm coming next weekend.
0:38.3	Millions of Americans are trapped in their homes or without power right now.
0:42.1	And so talking to somebody who really understands disasters and understands what FEMA
0:46.6	should be doing instead of being cut back to pay for these guys in the streets is really
0:52.1	enlightening. And Fugate's a very smart guy, very good guy.
0:55.2	But anyway, this is a double header.
0:57.5	One more thing before we go.
0:59.2	Folks, the congressional resolution or the continuing resolution on the ICE funding
1:04.6	is coming up.
1:05.6	It is important that Chuck Schumer not just say he won't vote for it.
1:09.9	He needs to whip his caucus against it. We're going to throw the number up for Congress. Please call Congress, call your senators, and call Chuck Schumer, and tell him that he needs to whip his caucus against the DHS bill, not just say he's not going to vote for it. That's a, that's a cheat. So put um, put the number up on the screen. We'll leave it there.
1:29.0	We'll also throw it up during the show. Um, but do give them a call. Thanks so much. We'll see you
1:33.2	again next time. Your task will not be an easy one. Your enemy is well trained, well equipped
1:38.8	in battlehardt. There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America.
1:50.6	Hey folks, welcome back to the Lincoln Project podcast.
1:52.9	As always, I am your host, Rick Wilson.
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