Hey everybody. Welcome back to psychedelics today. Joe and Kyle here. Today on the show,

we have David Stetson of the Oka Retreat Center in the Yucatan of Mexico.

Great guy, really fun conversation.

Happy he joined us.

And I think we get into some really interesting stuff.

You know, ecological harms of Iboga, risks of Iboga, which are pretty minimal.

And I don't know, anything else,

Kyle, that kind of stood out in this that we want to preface with? Yeah, microdosing Iboga, which I thought was really interesting, some of the traditional uses. And then also maybe the

difference between kind of these grassroots, Ibegain centers versus the more medicalized.

So yeah, you'll hear some of the differences.

Yeah, doing Iboga in a hospital bed versus in a more traditional setting where you're in a group and singing.

There's some real differences for sure.

And it's, you know, I think it's situational.

What is best for you, the patient, it really depends on your situation.

Maybe you need the super clinical scenario because you're going to die in three days if you don't do it.

Or maybe you're not on death's door and you can go to a less clinical place.

And the interview cuts off at the end.

Being in Mexico, the internet isn't perfect.

But I was really impressed that we

got to stay on for so long with David. We'll definitely have them on the show again because

his work is very interesting. They also offer ayahuasca. I think Kyle and I planned on talking

to him about doing breathwork down there maybe because you know who doesn't want to go to

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