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Criminal

Ian Manuel

Criminal

Vox Media Podcast Network

True Crime, Society & Culture, Documentary

4.738.4K Ratings

🗓️ 30 July 2021

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

"The phone rang and rang and a lady picked up on the other end and I still remember the operator saying, 'You have a collect call from Ian for Debbie. Will you accept the charges?' And I remember Debbie saying, 'Yes, I accept.' And I just remember blurting out, 'Ms. Baigrie, I just called to wish you and your family a merry Christmas and to apologize for shooting you.'" At 14 years old, Ian Manuel was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole, and spent an estimated 18 years in solitary confinement. Today, he tells his story. His book is My Time Will Come. You can listen to our full conversation with Bryan Stevenson in Episode 45: Just Mercy. Say hello on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram. Sign up for our occasional newsletter, The Accomplice. Follow the show and review us on Apple Podcasts: iTunes.com/CriminalShow. We also make This is Love and Phoebe Reads a Mystery. Artwork by Julienne Alexander. Check out our online shop. Episode transcripts are posted on our website. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

Support for this show comes from Krakan.

0:03.0

Krypto is like the financial system, but different.

0:07.0

It doesn't care where you come from, what you look like, your credit score,

0:11.0

or your outrageous food delivery habits.

0:13.7

crypto is finance for everyone everywhere all the time.

0:18.4

Krakhan, see what crypto can be.

0:21.3

Don't invest unless you're prepared to lose all the money you invest.

0:25.0

This is a high-risk investment and you should not expect to be protected if something goes wrong.

0:31.0

This episode contains descriptions of violence.

0:34.0

Please use discretion.

0:38.0

They kept trying to get me, they gave me the gun and they kept trying to rob people in the open broad daylight and I kept saying no no no so after turning like 10 people down we finally all sat down on a on a curve and they say

0:56.2

Ian if you're not gonna do it give the give the gun to somebody else now we're

0:59.6

passing this gun around like a hot potato like who's gonna do it and we made a pack we made an agreement

1:04.8

at that moment that the next people we came upon whether it was in the open or not that this is the

1:12.0

robbery was going to happen and was going to go down.

1:15.0

On July 27th 1990 a 28 year old woman named Debbie Bakery went out with some friends in downtown Tampa.

1:24.0

She'd recently given birth to her second child,

1:27.0

and this was her first night out with friends in a while.

1:30.0

On her way back to her car, she bumped into a man she knew from the gym, and he offered to walk with her the rest of the way.

1:39.0

The same day, a 13-year-old named Ian Manuel was walking around downtown Tampa with three older friends

1:47.3

We were in a parking lot and we walked and we approached this couple that was standing by a car and approached them and asked for change

1:56.8

for a 20 and I pulled a gun out and I said it's a jack and the lady screamed and I just fired.

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