You're listening to Unfiltered. It's an interesting one

this because Ian Lee who you will be familiar with for a whole heap of reasons

if you're under the age of 25 probably chiefly from his recent appearance and I'm a

celebrity get me out of here is someone I've known for ages but but it occurred to

me actually on the way here that I don't know that much about him I can't

him among my friends and in the business one of the people from my own

peer group that I really admire the most but there's an awful lot about him I don't know which

ordinarily would be quite a good backdrop for an interesting interview.

Let's see.

Hello James and Brian.

Hello, Ian Lee. This is not what you might call the most produced and scripted of

podcasts in history. It's very free-ranging, but I suspect that this might be even more

free-ranging than the previous 12 episodes.

I'm really nervous because I'm a big fan of yours.

Let's, you know, blow smoke up the A. I'm a big fan of yours.

But I know you've got a killer blow. You know, you're like a game of tequin tech or something you worry that I might bring you down

I might dismantle you and it will go viral no not not at Joe Joe's a much

gentler and more free-formed environment than the one in which we make then I'll

destroy you exactly we's it, exactly.

We met, we worked at the same radio station for a while,

we worked at LBC, but normally I start at the beginning of someone's life

right and work towards where they are now.

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