Hi everyone, Kat here.

Brooke is in California this week, seeing her daughter for the first time in 15 months.

So I'm here to introduce this week's podcast Extra.

An interview we first aired back in July of 2019.

It's about something most of us are pretty bad at.

Unplugging.

Here's Brooke.

I've just read a new book with what to some may seem an objectionable title. How to

do nothing, resisting the attention economy. It's by artist and writer Jenny O'Dell. She

questions the wisdom of staying plugged in.

She notes that we've all signed on to a project

in which the external conflict that consumes our lives,

the very words that define it, have been determined by other people.

People seeking nothing more from us,

and nothing less than our attention, our time,

the most precious thing we have.

But Odell says certain kinds of thoughts require certain kinds of places.

We have to walk away to find them and do something that looks like, but really isn't nothing.

I really mean nothing from the point of view of a very narrow sense of what we would consider something productive.

Not only, it does it seem like we're all working more, but even when we don't think we're

working, we're producing something like representations of our vacations or constantly checking back

on things like Instagram and Twitter. Always needing to have something to show for your time,

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