Hello and welcome to another episode of IWay with Jemita Jamel, a podcast against Shame.

Thank you for your exceptional response to my episode with Jordan Stevens about men and what's going on with them and ways in which they are hurting, not just themselves, but also each other and of course women.

It was a very candid chat with moments of debate that was handled with so much love and the kind of

faith in one another that we need to see more of in the world. I think people don't give each other

the benefit of the doubt and they're so quick to dismiss and label one another and so desperate to

win a conversation rather than find a mutual resolution. And I will forever love that conversation. But how popular that episode

has been and how many people have reached out to me about it made me want to replay this episode

now because I think it's one of the best chats I've ever had on this podcast and also the kind

of thing that we all need to be hearing right now, not just us, but everyone we know,

of every gender, of every age, of every background. My guest is Dr. Jackson Katz, and he came

onto this podcast and expressed himself with the kind of passion, hope, and emergency that is lacking in so many men in the public eye.

He is an educator, he is a filmmaker, he's an author,

and his work centers around men's violence, media, masculinity,

and it has an added focus on media literacy.

He's got this TED talk that went viral,

it's the first time I ever became aware of him,

in which he was one of

the first people I ever saw breakdown that we've got to stop calling it, violence against women,

that we need to stop using passive language, we need to use active language, who is the perpetrator,

it's men's violence against women. Man attacks women, not just woman attacked. There was

a headline recently that said woman attacked while walking her dog.

And a lot of people who read that presumed she was attacked by a dog, but she was in fact attacked by a man.

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