Lemonnara.

Hello and welcome to another episode of I Weigh with Jamila Jamil, a podcast against

shame. So this week I have the internet's boyfriend on the

podcast. His name is Penn Badgley. You may know him from Gossip Girl or one of

the biggest serial killer shows in the world, you, in which he plays an extremely

handsome and strange and charming serial killer.

And I didn't really know a lot about Pen Badgerly like to me he kind of felt more of a

mysterious member of the kind of gossip girl crew and so I wasn't super familiar with him until you know obviously I'd see like

pictures of him on the internet or videos and stuff and he was seemed like a kind of like funny sweet man

but it wasn't until I went on his podcast, Podcrushed, which is incredibly good and incredibly

relatable and fun in which they talk about the kind of ways on which your teen experiences

shape you. I highly recommend listening to it. But it was when I was a guest on that that I really kind of got a chance to witness him and just totally adored him immediately. He's such a sensitive, kind, intelligent man.

He gives women space to talk and think.

And he just seems like he's really on a journey

of constant self-reflection, self-improvement,

and just a better understanding of the world. And so I asked him to come

on this podcast because I think he's fascinating and I think he's gone through a lot of fascinating

things. I mean he's had a wild career becoming so famous and being so

objectified at such a young age and that's a lens we don't really talk

about a lot because when it's happening to women we're more familiar with what

that situation is and a lot of us object to it and yet when it's

happening to men there's no real discourse around how dehumanizing that can also

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