Hello and welcome to a very unusual episode of I-Way with Jamila Jamel, a podcast against Shame.

I loved this chat so much. I'm so excited to hear what you think about it, because it really did go to places that I was not expecting.

It is with one of my favorite people, Danny Wallace. He's been on this podcast before, and you loved him, so I decided to bring him back.

Last time he was on talking about his book, A History of Roodness, it's called Fuck You Very Much, and it's very, very good, and very funny.

He's also written wonderful books like, Yes, Man, Awkward Situations for Men, Charlotte Street, and now his new book, Somebody Told Me. And it's a fascinating investigation

into conspiracy theories, not necessarily just specific conspiracy theories, but why conspiracy theories

have taken hold of what feels like our society. And people are falling out over them and people are really

worried about their relatives, especially their grandparents as to what it is that they're

learning on Facebook. The conspiracies within politics are ripping us all apart. We don't

know what's real, what's fake, what's propaganda, what's misinformation, what's AI. We don't

even know what we're looking at anymore. And it's,

it's not only creating so much loneliness, but it's also possibly born of loneliness. And so we kind

of get into the cracks in our society that are leading to this many people having such a

different perception over the same world that we are living in.

And I think one of my favorite parts of this episode is the fact that every time we start talking

about conspiracy theories, we keep stumbling upon some that did turn out to be fucking true,

which is a nightmare. Because then how, when something is vindicated, do you convince other people

that not everything they believe is necessarily going to turn out to be this big, fucking,

terrible, terrifying conspiracy theory? It's a complicated, nuanced subject, and we get into the

complications and the nuances of it. And so if you are someone who's been accused of believing

in conspiracy theories, if you've got someone that you someone who's been accused of believing in conspiracy theories,

if you've got someone that you love who's fallen down a kind of conspiracy theory rabbit hole

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