And then, so let's fast forward, how'd you get into music? Because you've been doing music, you say 18 months? Yeah, 18 months or two years, man. 18 months, two years. So that's late. Yeah, I started late. Yeah, that is late, especially from ends as well. Everyone was rapping like, oh. You know, I was on the plane the other day, yeah? And girls talk about, like, musicians, wrath. Like, I heard her talking, she's saying something like, you know one of them just ends rappers? Yeah, they're doing these little raps and that. You know, the girls don't respect the thing at the jump, in it? But obviously, you got, like, 100K views, million views early, in it? But was there a period where it was like, oh, I don't know. You like started late, but it was a bit shameful. Like this is something you should do at 16 and that. No, I swear, I never went through that period. My first song was a plugged in, you know? And then from that, that was on like 5 million views. My first song. Your first song is a plugged in?

Yeah.

You sound like an industry plant still.

I didn't get it.

That's crazy.

But that's what I was trying to say to you like before the podcast even started,

which I feel like is a gift and a curse, yeah?

Right.

Is my name before the rap, yeah?

My name before the rap is like, it helps me in many ways and it's a curse in many ways. Because my name before the rap was ringing so much to the point where it's like, even though I'm not a rapper, I'm more popular than certain rappers than I'm never rap to my life, you know what I'm saying? For the wrong reasons, obviously, you know what I'm saying? Where to the point almost we're infamous rather than famous yeah so like with

that it kind of goes hand in hand with rap you know I'm saying so that's where like

I could get into the door with them things but that's what helped me because everyone

knew I'm not captain you can call me a hundred or one, but I ain't making a s'ap, bro.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? You think cat.

Some rappers, you might have to, let's say you're from Lewisham and you're a rapper from Lewisham. And I'm asking you, yo, is my man turning the truth? And you'd be like, well, I don't even know. I'll have to ask my man. And he asked mine and he was mine, man.

And he was like, over here, you ain't got got caught up, you know what I'm saying.

I don't think I'm like a gangster or the rudest boy in the world now, but it's soberingly real. That's what I'm saying. Do you know what I'm saying? So it's a gift in a curse and that sense because it helped propel me early. My first song, I just come out of jail. I just come out of jail and I've done the freestyle. But it was more in a sense of my right hands were rapping. They were representing the block. And remember, I'm passionate about this at this point. I'm passionate about the block. I'm passionate about all of this. So I've been in jail watching the ops chat shit for years. I've done years in jail. I've come out. The ops have been chatting so much shit and all my niggas and Joe, all the young but saying Joe, we all got sweeped up. Yeah. So I'm just watching and go crazy. Like I'll be in jail just watching on YouTube, human kind of thing And they say my name, I'm like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, when I've come home, it wasn't the intention to rap at all. But then like I said, that's when the opportunity came for the plugged in where when I've come home, I've come home, like you said, when my brother home, and like my other right hand come home, it kind of goes, it went viral at the time. Yeah, yeah. When we're coming home because knew him is so, so really real, yeah, and because we was like the main three. Yeah. And we was away for so long. People kind of thought we got life, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. My sentence wasn't too documented. It wasn't on the news or nothing. So when I came out initially, people were just surprised, like, how was this guy at home? Like, do you know what I mean? I was done free initially. And yeah, that was just like going by all over the place. And that's what opportunity came like, yo, do you write, do you want to speak? Do you want to talk for your section or whatever? But who came with that opportunity? Fumes himself, isn't it? Okay. You know what I'm saying? Wow. It was through like my brother's little brother. Like, they know because he's done a plug thing. His brother's done a plug in. So was more like all of that that thing but then it came on edit for a bit because I'm thinking I've just come out of Joe and that was my first actual sentence you know what I'm saying just that I'm all new to Joe and new to license and new to all of this but then yeah I had it for like a month or two and then when I started started chatting to my dog, my dogs were like, represent, though, even if you don't know what you're doing, fuck it, just go there and just go crazy, bro. Do you know what I'm saying? Just talk your shit. You're lucky, you're good. But there's some people, they shouldn't take that advice because they're not good. Yeah. You get what I'm saying? Some people yeah, yeah. You're like, everybody's in the studio not telling this guy he's shit because he's real.

So even like right now, how much is like studio time?

Is it, is it expensive enough?

Good question.

Is it explicit?

Oh, for that.

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