Hey everybody. It's Bill Courtney with Shop Talk Number 12.

Today we're going to talk about something that I've known for a long time but actually this podcast has we taught me and I'm going to say I haven't fully learned my lesson yet but I'm working on it and it's about controlling a conversation and who does that. A lesson

I learned early on in sales and a lesson I learned early on in doing this podcast,

and a lesson I try to remind myself every day of.

And I think it'll be interesting.

Who controls a conversation?

Shop Talk Number 12.

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