This is Help Wanted, the show that makes your work work for you. I'm Jason Pfizer,

editor-in-chief of Entrepreneur magazine.

And I'm money expert Nicole Lappin. On Tuesdays, Jason and I answer the helpline and help

callers solve their work problems. And on Thursdays, I give you one way to improve your work and build a career or company you love.

And it starts now. If you yourself,

yourself haven't been laid off recently, you probably know someone who has,

it feels like there is a rising tide, a very scary rising tide of layoffs.

Intel just laid off 15,000 employees.

Microsoft is reducing its head count by 7%.

And you usually hear the typical advice about this, about how to hit the job market and all the things you should do and all the ways you should use LinkedIn.

But there is another thing that people don't talk enough about and that is the emotional experience of being laid off and also how not

understanding that emotional experience can hold you back from moving on and finding the next chapter,

the next journey.

Today we are going to dig into that with someone who has experienced it herself

and then reported the absolute hell out of it.

Yoway Shaw, podcast host, producer, self-proclaimed emotional investigative journalist.

Boys, you may know if you love podcasts, was laid off, now has her own podcast called Proxy,

where she began by exploring this very experience.

Yoway, welcome to Help Wanted.

Thank you so much for having me.

Thanks for being here.

Can you set us up here?

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