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I Want an Awakening Experience. How Do I Get It? | Henry Shukman

10% Happier with Dan Harris

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Dan Harris, Health & Fitness, Mindfulness, Dharma, Mental Health, Meditation

4.612.2K Ratings

🗓️ 9 April 2025

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

They say enlightenment is always an accident. Here’s how to make yourself more accident-prone.

Henry Shukman is a poet, author and Zen master in the Sanbo Zen lineage. He is founder of the Original Love meditation program, spiritual director emeritus at Mountain Cloud Zen Center and co-founder of the single-path meditation app The Way. His most recent books are Original Love: The Four Inns on the Path of Awakening and the Zen memoir One Blade of Grass. 

 

In this episode we talk about:

  • Henry’s awakening moment
  • The meaning of the term “inn”
  • We walk through the four inns
  • We talk about loving your obstacles
  • Whether finding a meditation teacher matters
  • What koans are, and how they can enhance your practice

 

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1:32.8

As you'll hear, Henry Shookman has an amazing story.

1:36.1

Seemingly out of nowhere, when he was a very young man, he had an awakening experience.

1:42.5

You may ask, what does that mean? I will let him answer that question.

1:46.1

You'll hear him answer it right at the top of this interview. Anyway, that experience upended his

1:50.6

whole life plan. He had no intention of becoming a Zen master, but that is exactly what he now is.

1:57.8

His job, in essence, is to help the rest of us wake up in the way in which he did.

2:03.5

It's often said that enlightenment is always an accident, and the trick is to make yourself

2:08.5

accident prone. So Henry has devised a four-part recipe for waking up, and he spells it out

2:15.8

in his new book, which is called Original Love, the Four Inns,

2:20.3

I N-N-S, the Four Inns on the Path of Awakening. In this conversation, we talk about his

2:26.5

awakening moment, which I already referenced. We talk about the meaning of the term in, again,

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