Like 95% plus of these guys really believe that they'll never get laid and they'll never get a date with a girl like ever.

And it's just like this defeatist mentality of, oh, like I'm the victim.

Life, you know, wronged me in so many ways and I deserve some justice.

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Yeah, and today we'll be speaking with someone who was active in the in-sale community, as well as other anti-feminist and misogynist groups like the Red Pill community.

And in-sale, which stands for involuntary celibits, is an online subculture. It's made up of men who claim that they're unable to find sexual or romantic partners, even though they want to and desire that.

And this particular community and others like it are often referred to as hate groups because their thoughts, their discussions, their materials, beliefs are typically highly resentful of women and often condone actual violence against women and sexually active people.

There's actually been a handful of mass murders, other acts of violence that have been committed by men who have identified as in-sales or being part of this community.

So obviously a really highly contentious topic we'll be discussing today and obviously a super dangerous message that a lot of these groups spread.

But we've got our guests on the line and knowing how controversial this topic is, we want to thank you for coming on and your willingness to discuss your experiences in these communities.

And I think most importantly, you are transitioned away from these communities and thought processes.

So excited for you to take us down this journey.

So thanks for being on the show today.

Yeah, no, thank you for having me. I appreciate the chance to speak out against a lot of this stuff and the chance to tell my story and to warn other guys about how dangerous these communities really are.

Yeah, absolutely. So now that we've got kind of the general definitions out of the way, can you tell us how you first became involved in these subcultures and what it was that really drew you into them?

Yeah, so I'm going to keep this as short as I can. I kind of had a rough upbringing childhood.

My parents divorced at a really early age and we were in lower middle class. We were really poor.

And so I was raised by a single mom, me and my brother.

And we ended up moving. We were living in California at the time.

So we ended up moving.

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